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I was driving my MGF from Regensburg to Ingolstadt. I had no GPS so of course I took the wrong way through the town. Some 10 km outside I missed the closest road. Now I had to drive through the whole city. I asked the way at a Shell station. Of course later I took the wrong lane and had to drive around before I was back. It was heavy traffic and not easy for an outsider. At last we found a payment parking near the museum. A place where you must have a paid ticket to come out. After paid the museum we took the elevator up to third floor. Here we looked at cars and mc:s for three hours. Then we visited the restaurant nearby for food. In this website you can see and read what we saw.

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Auto Union type C hill climb

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The double rear wheels. Ref 1

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Porsche in the 6 cyl Wanderer. Ref 1.

NSU prototype at Autostadt Wolfsburg. Ref 1

 

 

 

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The car from Riga. The mountain racer. Ref 1
Let your mind go back to 1931-32. Ferdinand Porsche was working at Steyr in Austria and this company is soon out of business. It's the great depression and Steyr cannot keep Ferdinand Porsche. At this time he was a well known vehicle and engine designer.

Nothing was impossible for Ferd. Porsche, but to get a new work seemed to be difficult. But he had no problem. Instead he starts a new design company for cars together with a friend from the time when they worked at Mercedes Benz in the 20th. Adolf Rosenberger.

Porsche had earlier got experience of this kind as he has had Wanderer as employer constructing a 6 cylinders car. Its work name was type 7. This one was an ordinary one with engine in front and rigid rear end. His next commission came from NSU to design a new car for the people. The prototype was made but NSU stopped the project when the new Auto Union was settled. In the NSU car he used torsion spring system, swing, transaxle and rear engine. This prototype was sold to an employer at Volkswagen and was in everyday use up to 1955 until it was sold to England.

At this time 1930 wanderer wanted to build a racing car and signed a contract with Porsche at Paris Motor Show 1931 to take this as a commission. 1932 NSU, Wanderer, DKW och Horch had bad economy and decided to merge to Auto Union. Their logo became the four rings which was the symbol for the four different car marks.

Ferd. was a very determined man and when he accepted a commission he demanded to get a place in the board during the time as the commission worked. Now we have reached 1932. Porsche didn't know if his contract with Wanderer from Paris 1931 should be fulfilled,  but he continued working with it for his own money. When Auto Union was established, this contract was ended. This was the beginning of the Auto Union racer without his knowing it. He had also his main constructions which were his "children". Torsions spring system, swing axle,  transaxle and engine placement in the rear.

This concept was what he followed the rest of his life. A good info is that Rumpler had the patent of the swing and trans axles. Already 1921 the Rumpler Tropfenwagen was built in about 200 copies. Max Wagner had earlier constructed a racing car for Benz with rear engine. Note Mercedes Benz was not established until 1926. This racer was called Benz Tropfenwagen!! 1923. Porsche was an employee at Benz.

Within the new born Auto Union we can find except August Horch even Baron von Oertzen, former vice director for Wanderer. He realized that if this new company should succeed they must have a "showpiece". It must be a racing car.

At the same time Hitler had come to power and he wanted something to show what Germany industry could do. Such a thing was to win Grand Prix for racing cars. At Berlin Motor Show Hitler had spoken and laid out the line for German industry. Two important things to made official, was a good racing car and the people`s car  (Volkswagen). For the development of a race car he promised 500000 Reichsmark a year. While this industry fight about the money Porsche worked on his Tropfenwagen. concept.

The engine became a V16 delivering 295 hp at 4700 rpm and had it's max moment already at 2700 rpm.

Von Oertzen asked Porsche if he accepted to continue the Wanderer contract. Already 2 weeks after Porsche could he, for the board, show his ideas about the race project Type 22. For this he started a new company besides his main one in November 1931. In this he put 30000 Reichsmark of his own.

It should be a car with individual uprights front and rear. In the front it became a torsion transaxle according as the coming people`s car. In the rear he chose the swing type with transverse plate spring and friction dampers. They accepted of course but they pointed out that the budget was very firm.

This matter with money should during the whole project time be the Achilles heel for Auto Union. Porsche put his "own" boys on leading posts and work started in Zwickau, where the Wanderer and Horch works were situated. Already in November 1933 Auto Union was ready to make the first test driving.

The driver for the new car was Hans Stuck. He was also an old work mate to Porsche since Mercedes time. Other names in the team were Willy Walb and Eberan Eberhorst. 1934 this racing car made good results.

At the same time there were fights within the board about money and the team leader Walb was moved back to Wanderer factory to take care of their W25K to develop the installation of  compressor in that car. The meaning was to fight the BMW 328. Eberan Eberhorst fell out of favour for Walb's successor Feuereissen, but managed to keep his position. The Porsche service was reduced more or less to nothing after 1935, at the same time he had the commission of people's car Volkswagen. Now Auto Union was left alone and relayed on the employees they had. They had a firm budget and all the men worked with everything. Sometimes the welder could get the job to be mechanic in the pit. This was not the way for Mercedes. They could use as much money as was needed.

One could understand that the 1935 season for Auto Union was not so good. Now the last details on the car was going to be done for the next racing seasons. The first car was on the drawings called Type 22, while during building time, the P-wagen and last Auto Union Type A. 1934 the B-model came and 1935 the C model. It had now an engine volume of 6 litre and 520 hp at 5000 rpm.

But new rules for racing cars was on the way, with max 3 litres for 1939. This car was drawn by von Eberan Eberhorst and it was designed as a V12 and a deDion rear end. This model was christened to model D. They hade also a voiturette car with 1.5 liter engine called Type E, but it was not fully developed. Such a car, only one in existence, was bought from the East German officials, although when this happened, sold for the second time, to the Donington museum in England where it can be seen on display?. Altogether 55 cars of the A, B, C and D were build. Other people say 65.

Note. Eberan von Eberhorst survived the war and worked together with Ferry Porsche (the son) with the Cisitalia Formel 1 car and also the Porsche 360. This car was much alike the last Audi race car. The money Ferry got was aimed to free Ferd. Porsche from jail in France.


The WWII started and everything slowed down although they work with the Type E up  to 1943. 12 to 18 (different sources) cars were hidden in a salt mine outside Zwickau. The same procedure was done with the Mercedes cars. Now nothing should happen until 1945. The border between the fighting troops made their halt just between Chemnitz and Zwickau.

But the Americans withdrew and the salt mine went to the Russians. It was very close that the Auto Union cars had remained in the west.


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Auto Union Race Car 2

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Now the war is over and the Russians had taken the lead in Zwickau and of course found the papers where the cars were hidden including the spare parts. People at Horch and Wanderer in the bombed factories have other things in mind.

These factories had become one of the centers for producing engines for all Maybach engines to Panther and Tiger tanks. These were of course the Russians very interested in. During the lead of Stalin's son Vasiliy who had such contacts that he could order a train set on which all what they found in the salt mine could be loaded for transport to Moscow. He was one of those persons that like Göring stole much art work for their own purpose.

All this was sent to Moscow. It is believed that it was between 12 to 18 complete cars. These were distributed to universities, cars and engine producers all over Russia. This was for them to learn the German technology. They were free to investigate without preserve them in order to learn.

Ahead to 1970th the west had come over the chock that these racing cars were lost and the greatest enthusiasts started to search for what was left. 1974 rumor went around that a V12 D-type had been on display in a shop window in Prag. 

A German collector from München took this rumor seriously and went to Prag. He found the car after some time at the former race driver Zdeneck Pohl. This happened just after the Russian  Prag invasion. I suppose it was easy to buy the car. But it was missing both engine and driveline. Because of this the restoration was delayed some years, until an East German collector? in Saxony informed that he had an engine and driveline for the D-type. It is not said that these parts were original.

It was about this that histories and tall tales about how they succeeded to bring those parts out of East Germany and through the iron curtain. The cars was later sold to Colin Crabbe in order to be sent to famous Crosthwaite & Gardiner restoration company. This car can be mixed with the so called "Hitler car" that was for sale at Christies 2009. It was some troubles with the matching numbers. The Hitler one is for the moment owned by a consortium in Korea.

Deutsche Museum in München got 1936 a V16 C-type from Auto Union. It was a training/testing car from 1936. The car was opened for display and had so been the last 40 years. Now it was interesting time with Silver arrows and Audi had the money and Deutsche museum left it for Audi in Ingolstadt for renovation. No less than von Eberan Eberhorst got the lead for this. It got a Replica body work and was ready 1980.

Now everybody started to be interested in old Auto Unions mostly because it was money in it. One V16 showed up in Riga motor museum. It was the museum leaders that had contacts in Moscow. They had been informed that one V16 was on the way to be scrapped. Because of contact with highest leaders they got permission from Leonid Breshnev himself to buy/get the rests and bring it to Latvia. By the way Leonid left the rests of his Rolls Royce for them. This Rolls is on display even if it is smashed (by Breshnev).

Audi in Ingolstadt succeeded to buy this car and did the renovation of their own. The buying was connected with the promise to deliver a copy to Riga museum.

 This car was a hill climbing V16 model and came from the beginning from Lomonossow university. It is the car in Audi museum with double rear wheels. See picture.

Now from the 12 to 18 cars that were moved to Moscow 2+1 are "saved".

A new enthusiast showed in the form of exile Russian Paul Karassik living in Florida, USA. He went to Moscow in order to search for more Auto Unions. He is telling that he used lots of vodka to get information. Remember that this was before glasnost. He worked with this for 8 years and his travelling was all over western Russia. He found two D-types, one 1938 and one 1939 and lots of spares. One D-type was found outside Leningrad cut in pieces and rebuilt to a tractor! Why didn't he found any C-type? The answer is that because of lack of money Auto Union rebuild old C-types to D-types. Audi bought the 1938 car and the other went to private owner in Korea. This car is the one that was for sale 2009 under the name "Hitler car". It is a 1939 D-type, and was driven by Hermann-Paul Müller at Grand Prix of France 1939.

Auto Union did develop another car with compressor boosted 1.5 liter engine, type E. It was a D-type but smaller engine. Such a car was bought by Tom Wheacroft at Donington museum in England where you can find it on display? after update. May be they only used it as a spare part car. Now we have six cars and waiting for the next to show up somewhere in the world.

Another streamliner was built by the rests of all parts and newly produced. This was done by Audi. A new 6 liters V16 was constructed with the help of old drawings and copying from other parts. A fantastic effort and expensive work must have been done. Most of it was done i England. We can thank all buyers of Audi cars for this. This is a real replica.

After the war one (2) new "Auto Union" was built in East Germany. It was on initiative of Vasiliy Stalin this started. The 2 engineers, who had worked at Auto Union tried to build on the Type E concept. Vasiliy wanted that Russia should win a Grand Prix. This car was later called Sokol 650. I saw on television 2009 in Sweden that the Russians had a woman officer who had the job to empty the salt mines with art. Her name was Sokolova. Perhaps she has some connection with the Sokol 650. The Polish word "sokol" is the word for eagle.

When it was ready it was sent to Moscow for tests. The Russian engineers didn't manage the complex Solex carburettor system and also they had not the proper gasoline. The Solex were replaced by 2 carburettors from an Opel and this did give the car less hp. The camshaft curves didn't match this so the engine didn't run well. Vasiliy sent it back to east Germany. Later it was bought by Donington museum. Some parts may be stored in Dresden university museum. Read more in links Sokol 1, 2.
Read more about Vasiliy in my site about BMW.

There are very much written about these cars and if someone is more interested I demand them to search on internet. Perhaps you may come to other statements than I do. Don't forget to read about the involved person. You can put together an interested history how these cars grew during the time between wars. To write the complete story here should for most readers be a tiresome story. All readers don't want to be a specialist.

Note that all Mercedes Silver arrows were safe in the western part of Europe.


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Audi W25K

Audi W25K. Ref 1

Info plate Audi W25K. Ref 1

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Audi W25K. Ref 1

Wanderer W25K was ready for the market 1936. At that time it had a 6 cylinders engine with compressor. It gave 85 ps and was able to reach 145 km/h. The car was also sold as a cabriolet. Together 258 copies were built of both models. Ferd. Porsche had constructed the engine on commission for Wanderer. Willy Walb who lost his job at Auto Union as test engineer for the Silver arrows got his first job back at Wanderer as he was expert on compressors. He tested out the compressor for this car. Before it had only 42 ps. Even the new engine configuration was to small to match the BMW 328. Instead it could only match BMW 327. Today 2009 it is over 70 years since those 258 copies of the car were sold and therefore a most exclusive car to buy. Compare with Wanderers standard model sold in 22000 copies.

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DKW Kübelwagen


 

Audi museum. Ref. 1

This look like a Adler Trumpf Junior from 1936-39. The mark is DKW and the car is also equipped with 4-wheels traction. The possible explanation is that the German Wehrmacht choose from several different car builders and took one after long testing. Then the orders went to several factories. The car mark is mounted at unknown factory. At this time DKW was situated in Chemnitz/Zwickau. I think this car had four stroke engine. The ID identification shows that it was bound for the Polish campaign.

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DKW Sonderklasse


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Audi museum. Ref. 1

The popular 2-stroke 2 cylinders DKW model had normally a body made of wood and fabric. People called it chip basket. DKW had a luxus model in steel. This is such a car.

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DKW Monza

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Audi museum. Ref. 1

The information beside every car was bad and hard to find, some with nothing. This was such a car called DKW Monza with special body.


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Auto Union

Audi museum. Ref. 1

Auto Union test car for racing.


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Audi 920

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Audi museum. Ref. 1

Audi 920 was the car for the leaders and for that it was a luxus model. Already just before war the different builder bought constructions from each other. In Czechoslovakia there was a model called Skoda Superb 922. This car was almost the same as the Audi car. The Skoda stopped to be produced 1949 while Audi stopped 1940. This was most depending on that that the factories in Saxony were bombed badly.

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One of the prototypes for Audi A2. Produced 1999 to 2005. Last year model 2006. Compare the front with Auto Union. You can almost see the front of a Silver Arrow.

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Horch 853A? Special Roadster

Info plate Horch Special Roadster. Ref 1

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Horch 853A 1936. Ref 1

With this car Horch fought their rival Mercedes 500/540K. They were also bitter enemies on the racing tracks. This car is equipped with a straight 8 engine and 120 hp. The body was built by Erdman & Rossi in Berlin. The buyer had to pay almost 30000 Reichsmark which was a fortune at that time. Only 5(6) were built and this i 1 of 3 survivors. From the 830 concept was almost 400 built. Several were used by high ranked officers who demanded to have a car according to their rang. Price, 2008 if you find one £1.127.500. You can find another one at Riga museum.

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Horch 853A

Info plate Horch 853A 1932. Ref 1



 

 

Horch 853A 1932. Ref 1

In the beginning of 850 models Horch delivered even V12 engines, normally an straight eight, and price was 23500 Reichsmark and delivered 1932. In my own opinion I found this much cooler than the Erdman & Rossi car. I don't know the exact model name but 58 units were made. Both these car were put inside a glass cage. I am sure they didn't want people to come to close. Compare the design of connection between front and rear fender with Jean Bugatti design of the first Royale.

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Audi Front UW 225

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Audi Front. Ref 1

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Audi museum. Ref. 1

This limousine equipped with a 6 cylinders engine of Porsche design for Wanderer. Of course updated. You can also se that the car have a swing axle in the rear, with a transverse plate spring system. Most larger cars had this system. Furthermore as the name say it is front wheel drive. This car had an engine with 40 hp and 4 gears.

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Wanderer W40

Info plate about 6 cyl. engine. Ref 1

Porshe driving the car with his six cylinders engine. Ref 1

 

 

Wanderer W40. Ref 1

This Wanderer W40 is from 1933-34 has almost the Ford -33 front and looks like Renault design after the WWI.

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DKW Schwebe klasse

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DKW Schebe Klasse. Ref 1

2-stroke car, but with the difference of a V4 engine where 2 cylinder worked as compressor. The rear end had high mounted transverse plate spring system. The engine type was patented by Audi. Engine needed 1.3 liter/10 km. Read the info plate.

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DKW F1

Info plate about DKW F1. Ref 1

Front end for DKW F1. Ref 1

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DKW F1. Ref 1

DKW F1. Read the info plate.

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Wanderer W10/11

Info plate W10/W11. Ref 1



 

 

Wanderer W10/11. Ref 1
 

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Design model.

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Design model.


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DKW 500.
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DKW NZ350
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Info plate for next 2 pictures.
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DKW 350 SS with 2+2 cylinders working as compressors.The engine had exhaust valves. Rea on info plate for car and motorcycle, next picture. 1939
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DKW 350 SS. Engine with 2+2 compressor cylinders.
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Wanderer type 708. Engine 2+2 compressor cylinders. This had valves for the 2 stroke system. Read the info plate in former picture.
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Wanderer
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Wanderer started with bicycles 1898 and motorcycles 1902. They delivered half of all mc:s for the first world war. 1929 von Oertzen sold the mc production to NSU and concentrated on car production.
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